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#341 Vaporizer

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 07:06 PM

View Postzuyi, on 02 December 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

Well as far as weapons go, I use +10 Evo NM wand and +9 RDNU shield, but yea, other items are much better so I guess. Sadly I never did BTG test on Saint (for obvious reasons) so can't compare there (sorry)

I'll try next time in IDN maybe, last time in stage one was 30~35m iirc, will see how it is now.

...Wait. 30M with those weapons? Where did you check your DPS? Was it just S1 or the end-of-nest DPS meter?

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 07:09 PM

View PostVaporizer, on 02 December 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:

...Wait. 30M with those weapons? Where did you check your DPS? Was it just S1 or the end-of-nest DPS meter?

I did say stage one, manual DPS meter.

End DPS between 13~15m. Though that's just in Norm mode, in HC I just plant minimal relics for party's convenience lest they decide to kick me.

I don't think it's a good idea to judge a support's DPS by full run DPS because for slower parties, for sure a Saint or Phys will play more conservatively in s2 and s3 because they have to keep others alive and/or cured. S1 is fairly simple with experience everyone can clear it without dying so we can go all out there.

Edited by zuyi, 02 December 2016 - 07:10 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2016 - 07:18 PM

View Postzuyi, on 02 December 2016 - 07:09 PM, said:

I did say stage one, manual DPS meter.

End DPS between 13~15m. Though that's just in Norm mode, in HC I just plant minimal relics for party's convenience lest they decide to kick me.

I don't think it's a good idea to judge a support's DPS by full run DPS because for slower parties, for sure a Saint or Phys will play more conservatively in s2 and s3 because they have to keep others alive and/or cured. S1 is fairly simple with experience everyone can clear it without dying so we can go all out there.

Okay, that clears it up.

I like to judge by solo run DPS because I think that provides the least amount of variables in every run, plus it also accounts for realistic combat situation (how you have to dodge etc.).

But yeah, your method works too I guess.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 07:21 PM

View PostVaporizer, on 02 December 2016 - 07:18 PM, said:

Okay, that clears it up.

I like to judge by solo run DPS because I think that provides the least amount of variables in every run, plus it also accounts for realistic combat situation (how you have to dodge etc.).

But yeah, your method works too I guess.

Yeah solo is usually the best imo too, but the reason I said this is because in DN HC, I can kill the 1st, 3rd and 4th boss without their bar mech every time (after awakening) while I couldn't do so before, so that reduces some more total nest time, maybe that's why my DPS increase is more than 2x. The only other nest that I remember recording Saint dps was IDN (and it has plenty HP) that's why I thought of it, and also it's a fixed party so that's 1 less variable to worry about.

Edited by zuyi, 02 December 2016 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2016 - 09:09 PM

View PostSaitoHikari, on 02 December 2016 - 05:03 PM, said:

*waves*

So, how are you SEA Saints enjoying the awakening?

(Virtually every Saint main is in hiatus in NA waiting for it here...)

I like it. I can DQ on my own now. Save for that annoying instances that your HB awakening doesn't hit because its AOE is too small. I have yet to use my Awakened Saint in IDN because I'm already limit before the patch.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 10:44 PM

View PostLethMax, on 02 December 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

^There are no cooldown plate for those 2 skills.

Oh... well, that sux.

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 03:30 AM

@Vaporizer

Went IDN today so here's how it turned out
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Though I must say the damage is quite crazy for a main healer class and not even using L-grade weapons, makes Phys DPS look pale as a sub healer. Someday when I got more wraths I'm definitely making a pretty wand. (T.T)

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 11:45 AM

^

That's definitely all the proof people need that gearing a Saint in terms of damage isn't that useless anymore.

Also, I can't help but note that your description of your weapons in your previous posts are pretty deceptive (:D)  I really should consider the other stuff besides weapons when making judgments...

Edited by Vaporizer, 11 December 2016 - 11:49 AM.


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 02:15 PM

View PostVaporizer, on 11 December 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

^

That's definitely all the proof people need that gearing a Saint in terms of damage isn't that useless anymore.

Also, I can't help but note that your description of your weapons in your previous posts are pretty deceptive %20besides=

I totally did say only my weapons are crap other items are not :P

Edited by zuyi, 11 December 2016 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 05:54 PM

View PostLethMax, on 17 March 2013 - 12:19 PM, said:

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Leth's InSaint Guide To Nothingness

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*W.I.P. for 93 Awakening*
*Last update on 31/11/2016*

With the current state of awakening revamps, skill builds for PvE tends to be more straightforward as the awakening skills have their prerequisites to skill them up. Hence, this build will simply be testing and showcasing possible skills rotation and perhaps some useful tips and tricks.

93 Skill Build (Post-Awakening):
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PvE
Support Skills:
- Cure Relic EX (Remove debuffs + Move speed buff)
- Healing Relic EX (Recover HP + MP)
- Bind Relic EX (DMG debuff)
- Miracle Relic (DMG reduction buff)
- Protection Shell (DMG reduction buff)
- Heal (Recover HP)
- Great Heal (Recover HP)

DPS Skills:
- Lightning Relic EX
- Grand Cross (Can gain bubble)
- Holy Burst
- Shock of Relic
- Antiphona Pool (Can gain bubble)
- Blessed Sign

Skill Plates:
Support
- Cure Relic CD*
- Bind Relic CD*
- Miracle Relic CD
- Healing Relic CD
Utility
- Half-Turn Kick AS
- Holy Kick AS
DPS
- Lightning Relic CD*
- Shock of Relic DMG
- Holy Burst DMG

Note: AS = Action Speed, CD = Cooldown, DMG = Damage increase.

How Does Awakening Skills Work?
Bubble Buff Counter
Grand Cross Awakening Passive Skill allow bubble to be gained. With 100 bubbles, you can gain additional heal from healing relic or more damage from 2 additional antiphona pool.

Awakening Skills
Character Stats:

Antiphona Pool:

Blessed Sign:

Grand Cross:

Holy Burst:

Range of Skills

DPS of Skills

Skills Rotation

Tips & Tricks / Useful Information


*To be added: Skills rotation, Tips & Tricks, etc.

For gearing of character, please refer to FAQ You.

this good for sub dps sub sup ?