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[Fyi] Skills Ranking And Comparison (Updated With 93 Cap Charts)


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#41 makatoni

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:05 PM

Vaahn, is level 16 really the max level for Gravity Ball?

All of the other sorc's level 15 skills are level 19, only Gravity Ball stayed at level 16 in your damage chart :(

#42 Vaahneon

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:09 PM

View Postmakatoni, on 20 September 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

Vaahn, is level 16 really the max level for Gravity Ball?

All of the other sorc's level 15 skills are level 19, only Gravity Ball stayed at level 16 in your damage chart :(

I forgot to change the level sarreh... the values are correct anyway, skill amp of gravity blast in lvl 70 is 321%+9943 at lvl 19...

there might be other skills i forgot to change the levels with 70, but all formulas are correct with respect to their max level with 70 cap...

thanks for pointing it out... I'll fix it when there will be new changes to the sorc skills... anyway they're only minor typos...

Edited by Vaahneon, 20 September 2013 - 01:14 PM.


#43 makatoni

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:14 PM

View PostVaahneon, on 20 September 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

I forgot to change the level sarreh... the values are correct anyway, skill amp of gravity blast in lvl 70 is 321%+9943 at lvl 19...

there might be other skills i forgot to change the levels with 70, but all formulas are correct with respect to their max level with 70 cap...

Ok thanks (:D)

#44 Vaahneon

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 01:28 PM

I think I should add a table in 70 cap without any of the passive effects... just the plain skill damage (although fire will still have burn damage included)

so you guys can see how the passives changed the strength of the respective skills...

XD

#45 Xenocho

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:08 PM

I think burn damage should not be included since they're not significant in the total DPS output. Just my thoughts :P

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:17 PM

View PostXenocho, on 20 September 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

I think burn damage should not be included since they're not significant in the total DPS output. Just my thoughts :P

they're ignited most of the time anyway :D

#47 Vaahneon

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 01:13 AM

View PostXenocho, on 20 September 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

I think burn damage should not be included since they're not significant in the total DPS output. Just my thoughts :P

it's still part of the skill even if its not really that high...

#48 Vallenth

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 01:44 PM

Vaahn, do you mind to provide us with damage/ct rather than the damage alone? Coz i think that the damage alone might miss lead people into thinking that the damage is better than the other without counting the ct...

damage per second (/ct & /cd) will provide a better information..

Example: some of the forumers still think that meteor swarm and eraser damage is high and should be casted on bosses... but the fact is, the ct is too long that casting it will drop majesty damage per second... you should never cast it if you want to dps, unless when all other dps skills are on cooldown, OR you need the big AOE

Edited by Vallenth, 22 September 2013 - 02:54 PM.


#49 Vallenth

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 01:51 PM

The ct might effect dps ranking of fireball, inferno, flame road ex, and other long casting skills too.... as i also curious whether the ct still makes them the top dps or drop them below of what we expected

Edited by Vallenth, 22 September 2013 - 02:19 PM.


#50 Vaahneon

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:50 AM

could, but cant... I dont have the CT values of EL, FU I do have (provided by chaose5, you can find this in his comparison for FU chart)...

unless you wanna record it, I'll do the calculating... dont have time fer that nao...

Actually, paper damage is not the best basis for skills which is why this is labeled as FYI (for your information), it all depends on how you execute your skills on different targets... the best would always be the fast casting, and short cd skills for chart damage... but in the actual battle its not always the case, sometimes the long casting skills are good as well...

also with party coordination, cd is not really my problem, since I wait for debuffs to be placed before dealing any damage, so your basis would be the damage chart, what better skill to use with a fully debuffed target than your best damaging skills... with short durations of dps windows, of course here comes the fast casting skills, and best under BT... short cd skills will matter as well for BT status, and continuous damaging...

frankly the main reason I posted this is for people to know the growth and potential power of each of the skills... so you can use them to its best potential when the situation arises...

but yes I do need that CT for EL skills... XD

Edited by Vaahneon, 24 September 2013 - 01:45 PM.


#51 aqueon

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:45 AM

EL casting time values sir Vaahn: http://www.docstoc.c...kill-Comparison

#52 Vaahneon

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 01:23 PM

View Postaqueon, on 23 September 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

EL casting time values sir Vaahn: http://www.docstoc.c...kill-Comparison

thanks... although lacks the ct for the 55 and 60 ex skills... still need those...

Edited by Vaahneon, 23 September 2013 - 01:23 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 02:03 PM

View PostVaahneon, on 23 September 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

thanks... although lacks the ct for the 55 and 60 ex skills... still need those...
(sorry) I think firewall has the change in CT i think? since every other skill seems to have the same CT (shame)

#54 Vaahneon

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:48 AM

View Postaqueon, on 23 September 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

(sorry) I think firewall has the change in CT i think? since every other skill seems to have the same CT (shame)

FS EX and inferno EX got a bit longer.. minute difference anyway... mebee a few millisecond diff...

#55 Vaahneon

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 01:44 PM

I'll add damage per CT soon... you guys have any guesses for the reigning skill for this category?

I'm sure you guys will be surprised with it...

will add the charts too

Edited by Vaahneon, 24 September 2013 - 01:49 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:01 AM

View PostVaahneon, on 24 September 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

I'll add damage per CT soon... you guys have any guesses for the reigning skill for this category?

I'm sure you guys will be surprised with it...

will add the charts too
obviously, it's frozen spikes ex hooray for elestras (clap)

#57 Vaahneon

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:03 AM

View Postaqueon, on 25 September 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

obviously, it's frozen spikes ex hooray for elestras (clap)

nope... hahaha

but yes the reigning skill for 60 cap is an ice skill... but 70 its not anymore...

Edited by Vaahneon, 25 September 2013 - 12:05 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:07 AM

View PostVaahneon, on 25 September 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

nope... hahaha

but yes the reigning skill for 60 cap is an ice skill... but 70 its not anymore...
ice sphere I knew it :3 (hat)

#59 Vaahneon

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:10 AM

correct (cake)
can you guess the lvl 70 one?

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:12 AM

View PostVaahneon, on 25 September 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

correct (cake)
can you guess the lvl 70 one?
surprising enough (oo)

um.. putting bets on laser cutter, rolling lava and phoenix storm >.<

Edited by aqueon, 25 September 2013 - 12:13 AM.