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#681 GoldSpear

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 09:06 PM

Hi @FirePhoenix, i also interesting on the best Title for Flurry. Can you compare Jakard demise ((6% atk, 3% stat)), Sharing goddes grief (8% elem) and Teardrop (8.5% atk) ? Is the 8% elem better than 8% atk ?

E.g: Im using Sharing goddess grief title: Atk: 341173 and 276% crit dame. If i change to Jakard title. Atk: 253521 and crit dame 278%. There a little difference on HP and FD. But for the Sharing title with 8% elem we can considered atk as 341173 + 341173 * 0.08 ~~ 368466. Is this correcly?

Edited by GoldSpear, 10 May 2017 - 09:14 PM.


#682 Xenocho

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 09:44 PM

View PostGoldSpear, on 10 May 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

Hi @FirePhoenix, i also interesting on the best Title for Flurry. Can you compare Jakard demise ((6% atk, 3% stat)), Sharing goddes grief (8% elem) and Teardrop (8.5% atk) ? Is the 8% elem better than 8% atk ?

E.g: Im using Sharing goddess grief title: Atk: 341173 and 276% crit dame. If i change to Jakard title. Atk: 253521 and crit dame 278%. There a little difference on HP and FD. But for the Sharing title with 8% elem we can considered atk as 341173 + 341173 * 0.08 ~~ 368466. Is this correcly?

Attack * Ele * Crit DMG * FD
SGG = 341173 * 2.76 * Total Ele? (1.08?) * FD? (1.45?)

JD = 253521 (the atk should increase after changing to JD) * 2.78 * (SGG ele - 0.08) * FD?

Usually classes using ECJ benefit more from SGG due to overall lower ele, whereas classes with high ele attack benefit more from using JD. This effect is called diminishing return, where your gain is lesser if you already have a very high value, e.g. ele attack.

Edited by Xenocho, 10 May 2017 - 09:45 PM.


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Posted 10 May 2017 - 09:57 PM

View PostGoldSpear, on 10 May 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

Hi @FirePhoenix, i also interesting on the best Title for Flurry. Can you compare Jakard demise ((6% atk, 3% stat)), Sharing goddes grief (8% elem) and Teardrop (8.5% atk) ? Is the 8% elem better than 8% atk ?

E.g: Im using Sharing goddess grief title: Atk: 341173 and 276% crit dame. If i change to Jakard title. Atk: 253521 and crit dame 278%. There a little difference on HP and FD. But for the Sharing title with 8% elem we can considered atk as 341173 + 341173 * 0.08 ~~ 368466. Is this correcly?
8% ele or 8% atk better is depend on your ele% and your atk % (from gear). If your ele% < atk%, 8% ele is better. If your ele% > atk %, 8% atk is better.
Teardrop (8.5%) should be the best. I do not calculate detail but here is my observation
- I use valiant of the champion frost, which is 7% atk already surpass JD. So with 8.5% Teardrop sure better than JD.
- My ele% > atk%, so using tittle with 8% atk better than 8% ele for me. Not to mention teardrop provide 8.5% not just 8% and provide a little more other stat like: patk/matk, FD, crit dmg, and crit

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 11:46 PM

What is SGG? Im a newbie. By your fomular. I have 76% element.
Sharing Title: 341173 * 2.76 * 1.76 * 1.45
JD Title: 353521 * 2.78 * 1.68 * 1.45
The Sharing still give you more.

View PostXenocho, on 10 May 2017 - 09:44 PM, said:

Attack * Ele * Crit DMG * FD
SGG = 341173 * 2.76 * Total Ele? (1.08?) * FD? (1.45?)

JD = 253521 (the atk should increase after changing to JD) * 2.78 * (SGG ele - 0.08) * FD?

Usually classes using ECJ benefit more from SGG due to overall lower ele, whereas classes with high ele attack benefit more from using JD. This effect is called diminishing return, where your gain is lesser if you already have a very high value, e.g. ele attack.

So, The Teary-Eyed (7% atk) should be better than JD with your case?

View PostFirePhoenix, on 10 May 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:

8% ele or 8% atk better is depend on your ele% and your atk % (from gear). If your ele% < atk%, 8% ele is better. If your ele% > atk %, 8% atk is better.
Teardrop (8.5%) should be the best. I do not calculate detail but here is my observation
- I use valiant of the champion frost, which is 7% atk already surpass JD. So with 8.5% Teardrop sure better than JD.
- My ele% > atk%, so using tittle with 8% atk better than 8% ele for me. Not to mention teardrop provide 8.5% not just 8% and provide a little more other stat like: patk/matk, FD, crit dmg, and crit

Edited by GoldSpear, 10 May 2017 - 11:50 PM.


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Posted 10 May 2017 - 11:57 PM

View PostGoldSpear, on 10 May 2017 - 11:46 PM, said:

What is SGG? Im a newbie. By your fomular. I have 76% element.
Sharing Title: 341173 * 2.76 * 1.76 * 1.45
JD Title: 353521 * 2.78 * 1.68 * 1.45
The Sharing still give you more.



So, The Teary-Eyed (7% atk) should be better than JD with your case?

SGG is 'Sharing Goddess Grief'

From your calc it seems SGG is better therefore you should stick to it :) btw I'm quite amazed that your ele attack is so high for a flurry

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 12:56 PM

Flurry class mastery III
Posted Image

- Deep Pierce Posted Imageincrease damage (x700%) and range.
At max level (lv 27), Deep Pierce board is 405%, so it will be 405*7 = 2835%
- When hit [Vulnerable] target, Deep Pierce dmg will double and do not make [Vulnerable] disappear, so we can follow up by spinning skewer.
Deep Pierce on [Vulnerable] target have board 2835 * 2 = 5670%
Combo
Deep Pierce + Skewer on [Vulnerable] target will deal 5670% + 7950% = 13620%.
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Source: http://bbs.duowan.co...655507-1-1.html

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 07:51 PM

do you lose out a lot of damage from not achieving the enhanced SC? also out of curiosity.. are you able to do enhanced SC 100% of the time? (:D) (:D)

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 08:42 PM

View PostFlyingDutchman17, on 23 May 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

do you lose out a lot of damage from not achieving the enhanced SC? also out of curiosity.. are you able to do enhanced SC 100% of the time? br=
Yes and yes.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 10:42 AM

depending on which stage of SC u ended up i think u will only doing around 20~40% of of enh SC dmg

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 05:50 PM

AFAIK ESC already easier to do after kali awakening....
they add 50% more time to do ESC CMIIW

i'm still confused with ESC and SC Ex phase 2, sometimes the damage not too far different..
can anyone make calculation for this??
thanks in advance

and one selfish request please firephoenix senpai..
please update ur dps at current equipment..
if u have time ...if not..its ok

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:27 PM

^
ESC have coef of 5.
SC Ex stage 2 have coef of 3.9
That why the difference is not that big.

I will post some DPS result when I have a chance, quite busy lately.

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 12:31 AM

View PostFirePhoenix, on 19 May 2017 - 12:56 PM, said:

Flurry class mastery III
-snip-

- Deep Pierce Posted Imageincrease damage (x700%) and range.
At max level (lv 27), Deep Pierce board is 405%, so it will be 405*7 = 2835%
- When hit [Vulnerable] target, Deep Pierce dmg will double and do not make [Vulnerable] disappear, so we can follow up by spinning skewer.
Deep Pierce on [Vulnerable] target have board 2835 * 2 = 5670%
Combo
Deep Pierce + Skewer on [Vulnerable] target will deal 5670% + 7950% = 13620%.

-snip-

Source: http://bbs.duowan.co...655507-1-1.html

Hi Pheo,

I am quite confused regarding the damage increase, as far as I understand, increase would only yield addition hence board damage + damage increase.

Is it really a multiplier?  

I hope you can enlighten me. (:])

Thanks in advance!

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:02 AM

View PostNvin, on 25 May 2017 - 12:31 AM, said:

Hi Pheo,

I am quite confused regarding the damage increase, as far as I understand, increase would only yield addition hence board damage + damage increase.

Is it really a multiplier?  

I hope you can enlighten me. (:])

Thanks in advance!
I am pretty sure Flurry CM3 is multiplier and it is like that for most case. For example:
- Spinning skewer increase damage 2500%
- Windwalker: Enhanced SE increase damage 100%
- ...

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 07:13 PM

View PostFirePhoenix, on 25 May 2017 - 11:02 AM, said:

I am pretty sure Flurry CM3 is multiplier and it is like that for most case. For example:
- Spinning skewer increase damage 2500%
- Windwalker: Enhanced SE increase damage 100%
- ...

I see, thanks for the clarification :)

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 11:40 PM

Update some stuff in guide: add about me, update some skill explain, skill build and newer gear in late cap 93

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 05:07 PM

Is the Fling Sky's iframe long enough against the pizza mech?

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 05:36 PM

View Postrikolero, on 05 June 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

Is the Fling Sky's iframe long enough against the pizza mech?
It only help you sure avoid one explosion. Not enough for the whole mechs.

Edited by FirePhoenix, 05 June 2017 - 05:37 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 11:28 PM

Yep, I got to test it too. Iframing one explosion and tanking the next then Flag/Tumble is good enough to survive.

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 01:01 PM

AWESOME THREAD! Please keep on updating this for our fellow Flurries :)

I have a question though. Is it really worth it to have dark EDJ instead of going full physical? And why dark, not light EDJ? Just started playing Flurry so please be nice :)

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Posted 01 July 2017 - 09:49 AM

View PostAhegaodess, on 29 June 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

AWESOME THREAD! Please keep on updating this for our fellow Flurries :)

I have a question though. Is it really worth it to have dark EDJ instead of going full physical? And why dark, not light EDJ? Just started playing Flurry so please be nice :)
Nowadays, using ECJ is better in most case due to a lot of +ele% item. About what ele we should use, all ele is the same now. So you can choose whatever