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#41 Nateal

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 05:48 PM

 Exassassin, on 06 May 2016 - 05:41 PM, said:

None of those. It really depends on what you plan on teching, flame locust and mortal blow is worth teching, definitely cash skill up flame locust if you can. You need max level skill pts to tech a skill for that 10% extra dmg. Lvl 2 ulti is a waste of that 1 sp also.
My build, Barrage is bad to try using especially off cd, every Ripper will realize this after playing it enough and checking skill description in damage meter.

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You're missing the point that it has a 5 sec CD while under the effects of Arsonist, and that it triggers your Class Mastery II, which essentially doubles it's damage from 1527% to 3000%+. It's also part of the 3 skills which you spam under your ulti.

You're seriously underestimating Shift Blow. It's a very decent skill imo.

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Posted 06 May 2016 - 06:38 PM

I know it has super low cd plus able to cast shadows, my point is everything else you have has a 6-12sec cd there's almost no way you can use everything including shift blow every 5 seconds unless bosses are literally standing there not doing anything and not doing any mechs. Every time I use shift blow I could have used something stronger instead, plus to make shift blow decent your also using a crest for it when could have crested something else. Maybe it's playstyles but I find that for myself after I stopped using shift blow completely to prioritize using everything else off cd my dps has gotten better.

I only have 3k fd, nothing special. in Rdn HC
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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:19 PM

 Exassassin, on 06 May 2016 - 06:38 PM, said:

I know it has super low cd plus able to cast shadows, my point is everything else you have has a 6-12sec cd there's almost no way you can use everything including shift blow every 5 seconds unless bosses are literally standing there not doing anything and not doing any mechs. Every time I use shift blow I could have used something stronger instead, plus to make shift blow decent your also using a crest for it when could have crested something else. Maybe it's playstyles but I find that for myself after I stopped using shift blow completely to prioritize using everything else off cd my dps has gotten better.

I only have 3k fd, nothing special. in Rdn HC
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Well, I do suppose that it's all up to playstyle. I personally spam Shift Blow every time it's off CD, since even if I can't finish the entire skill and have to cancel it midway, as long as I see an INS proc then it's worth it.

Also, 3k FD is still worth quite a lot in RDN HC actually. Correct me if Im wrong, but 3k FD is still at 40% damage, so that's still quite worth it.

Impressive DPS though. I should really start recording my own DPS and stuff (tense)


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Posted 07 May 2016 - 03:15 PM

Indeed Shift Blow is really strong at roughly 2200% per cast. Coupled with the huge Fire% it can rival any skill in the Raven tree (even Applause 2 hits) and with 5s CD theoretically it is the second-most strongest skill in Ripper tree, only losing to Flame Locus, slightly stronger than Burning Coal. Shift Blow remains not a filler skill as I thought.
Including it requires you to make room for a Shift Blow 50% AS speed however, which is something I find myself a little uncomfortable with. There's also the problem with everything being so low on CD and long casting speed that is the main problem I'm having
But with heraldry expansion for me it is possible, I'd take Shift Blow

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Posted 07 May 2016 - 03:18 PM

Nateal I still insist on Raindrop being strong as hell though

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 10:20 PM

Here's a couple vids of Reapers in jdn doing 4 man IDN to show playstyle/rotations and what not. None uses shift blow and one rarely even use artful chaser which I don't really agree with doing but just shows there's many ways of playing a Reaper now.

https://www.youtube....h?v=3MatAekoLKw
https://www.youtube....h?v=1NB6ZOS-R6M

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 08:59 AM

 Exassassin, on 10 May 2016 - 10:20 PM, said:

Here's a couple vids of Reapers in jdn doing 4 man IDN to show playstyle/rotations and what not. None uses shift blow and one rarely even use artful chaser which I don't really agree with doing but just shows there's many ways of playing a Reaper now.

https://www.youtube....h?v=3MatAekoLKw
https://www.youtube....h?v=1NB6ZOS-R6M
Baaically, stick to what works for you.
And by the way, I'm seeing MB -20% CD which is pretty neat.
The problem with the guy in the second vid is that he keeps using MB on CD wasting so much time.
Also I'm pretty sure the second guy also found himself having time for even shift blow no AS, since he used it sometimes. He's also not very fluid sometimes. But I don't know, I haven't gone to IDN.

Edited by unknownH12, 11 May 2016 - 12:40 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2016 - 12:36 PM

 Exassassin, on 06 May 2016 - 05:41 PM, said:

None of those. It really depends on what you plan on teching, flame locust and mortal blow is worth teching, definitely cash skill up flame locust if you can. You need max level skill pts to tech a skill for that 10% extra dmg. Lvl 2 ulti is a waste of that 1 sp also.
My build, Barrage is bad to try using especially off cd, every Ripper will realize this after playing it enough and checking skill description in damage meter.

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Very nice.
And here's mine
https://dnmaze.com/r...0---0--00--00--

Still cannot decide between Applause and Shift Blow in my case. (sorry) Leaning more onto Shift Blow as I become more fluent.
Fade seems useless now. Fade doesn't even help in HBHC anymore
I mean the evasion skill.

Edited by unknownH12, 11 May 2016 - 12:42 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2016 - 02:37 PM

Guys hello I am from DN-EU .. I am gearing my Ripper and have some quesitons I will be happy if you answer them. I am thinking of using 3RDN-L acc + 1 Tech. acc. is this good ? or should I use tech. for all my accesories ?

if it is good using 3 rdn-L + 1 technique which skill should I max with technique acc + skill up heraldry? waiting your replies :)

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 08:16 PM

So I tried to do some testing with my Ripper today:

Here's me doing ABNHC while prioritizing Rain Drop and Shift blow to make a comparison:
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And here's me doing ABNHC while playing like I usually do:
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Keep in mind that in my skill build I have Shift Blow on 19+1, and Rain Drop at 11.


Bottom line is, I think it depends more on how you play your Ripper.




 TheChu, on 11 May 2016 - 02:37 PM, said:

Guys hello I am from DN-EU .. I am gearing my Ripper and have some quesitons I will be happy if you answer them. I am thinking of using 3RDN-L acc + 1 Tech. acc. is this good ? or should I use tech. for all my accesories ?

if it is good using 3 rdn-L + 1 technique which skill should I max with technique acc + skill up heraldry? waiting your replies :)

Go for Mortal Blow skill earrings.

Edited by Nateal, 11 May 2016 - 08:20 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2016 - 09:08 PM

 Nateal, on 11 May 2016 - 08:16 PM, said:

So I tried to do some testing with my Ripper today:

Here's me doing ABNHC while prioritizing Rain Drop and Shift blow to make a comparison:
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And here's me doing ABNHC while playing like I usually do:
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Keep in mind that in my skill build I have Shift Blow on 19+1, and Rain Drop at 11.


Bottom line is, I think it depends more on how you play your Ripper.






Go for Mortal Blow skill earrings.

I'm just wondering how flame locust isn't the top dmg skill for you, that thing is on a 6 sec cd doing 6k% total each time, 2k% on first two hits, 4k% on EX hit which does more than mortal blow alone. Also yes on mortal blow skill earring, get the vit+fire/ice and make up the dmg by using agi/str gems instead of vit one on a L armor.

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Posted 11 May 2016 - 10:05 PM

 Exassassin, on 11 May 2016 - 09:08 PM, said:

I'm just wondering how flame locust isn't the top dmg skill for you, that thing is on a 6 sec cd doing 6k% total each time, 2k% on first two hits, 4k% on EX hit which does more than mortal blow alone. Also yes on mortal blow skill earring, get the vit+fire/ice and make up the dmg by using agi/str gems instead of vit one on a L armor.

HP bar mechanics on ABN triggers almost every after I use Artful Chaser =/

I should really spam that skill more often... like, really often.

Edited by Nateal, 11 May 2016 - 10:42 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2016 - 09:55 AM

 Nateal, on 11 May 2016 - 10:05 PM, said:

HP bar mechanics on ABN triggers almost every after I use Artful Chaser =/

I should really spam that skill more often... like, really often.

like, at the beginning of every rotation excluding debuffs

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 09:56 AM

If you stop using Rain Drop and Mortal Blow on CD you'll find yourself having time for anything. I've decided on Shift Blow. (tense)

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 10:53 AM

sharing a bit of my playstyle for ripper (RDN 2 man)
https://www.youtube....h?v=JPyLfpS-ioc

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 11:12 AM

 unknownH12, on 12 May 2016 - 09:55 AM, said:

like, at the beginning of every rotation excluding debuffs
I'll be honest, I literally didn't know that Flame Locust got buffed this patch until I started seeing 20m+ numbers popping out of nowhere... Then I realized that it was Flame Locust lol.

I really need to read the patchnotes more often too (oo;)

Btw, I didn't miss any other major buffs right..?

Edited by Nateal, 12 May 2016 - 11:13 AM.


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Posted 12 May 2016 - 01:24 PM

 Nateal, on 12 May 2016 - 11:12 AM, said:

I'll be honest, I literally didn't know that Flame Locust got buffed this patch until I started seeing 20m+ numbers popping out of nowhere... Then I realized that it was Flame Locust lol.

I really need to read the patchnotes more often too (oo;)

Btw, I didn't miss any other major buffs right..?

Yeah, I think FL is the only one that's easy to miss because the 200% last hit is written in the EX version.

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 01:36 PM

 rafanrose, on 12 May 2016 - 10:53 AM, said:

sharing a bit of my playstyle for ripper (RDN 2 man)
https://www.youtube....h?v=JPyLfpS-ioc
Sht I think I'd break my left wrist if I played 1 to - hotkeys like you (oo)

I think it's a nice gameplay.

For my opinions, I would comment on the underwhelming use of Artful Chaser. There are times when AE would've been better but you just had to use that 1 CTC Rain Drop constantly.
I also think you could play a little faster.

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 05:19 AM

 unknownH12, on 12 May 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

Sht I think I'd break my left wrist if I played 1 to - hotkeys like you (oo)

I think it's a nice gameplay.

For my opinions, I would comment on the underwhelming use of Artful Chaser. There are times when AE would've been better but you just had to use that 1 CTC Rain Drop constantly.
I also think you could play a little faster.

ikr I already broke mine lol jk (:>)

AE you mean Artful Chaser?
yeah my wooden PC won't let me play smoothly while recording so it's slowing me down a little bit.

Edited by rafanrose, 13 May 2016 - 05:26 AM.


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Posted 13 May 2016 - 10:08 AM

 rafanrose, on 13 May 2016 - 05:19 AM, said:

ikr I already broke mine lol jk (:>)

AE you mean Artful Chaser?
yeah my wooden PC won't let me play smoothly while recording so it's slowing me down a little bit.

But the gameplay and the damage (love)