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#821 dupminus

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 10:43 PM

It's true ! Windwalker are fun and enjoyable ! I personally don't care too much about damage potential as long as its fun , but surprisingly WW are bursty like Barbarian and i like it honestly ...

About ulti cooldown , do it stack ? I mean with total level skill (-10%) , Spirit Boost (40%) , cd plate (20%) . I find it rather hard to get the cd plate since almost all of them are damage +20% .

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 12:06 AM

is it just me or tempest is ninja nerfed in pvp? well i got both tempest and windwalker. I observed that WW can earn 2 air currents per second, while tempest earns 1 air current per second. this is without buffs. devs really hate tempests -.-

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 11:06 AM

View Postdupminus, on 03 April 2017 - 10:43 PM, said:

It's true ! Windwalker are fun and enjoyable ! I personally don't care too much about damage potential as long as its fun , but surprisingly WW are bursty like Barbarian and i like it honestly ...

About ulti cooldown , do it stack ? I mean with total level skill (-10%) , Spirit Boost (40%) , cd plate (20%) . I find it rather hard to get the cd plate since almost all of them are damage +20% .
Not sure how the total level calculation goes, but Spirit Boost and CD plate has their own multiplier.

"Stack" is a confusing term.

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 11:52 AM

View Postfourrier, on 04 April 2017 - 11:06 AM, said:

Not sure how the total level calculation goes, but Spirit Boost and CD plate has their own multiplier.

"Stack" is a confusing term.

This is stack : total cd = cd-(cd*(mod1%+mod2%+mod3%))

or is there any other formula ?

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 07:22 PM

Here's how Spirit boost CD decrease (-40%) works together the -20% CD plate on a hypothetical 100 second skill :

100s -> 100s * (1-20%) = 80s with CD plate -> 80s * (1-40%) = 48s with both CD plate and Spirit Boost.

"Stack" described by gamers are vaguely defined.

Edited by fourrier, 04 April 2017 - 07:26 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 11:27 PM

its more advantage if you use damage heraldy on spiral edge. you just need to spam air pouce to active ac skill. when under show time+spiritboost you can spam 3-4x spiral edge.

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 02:14 AM

View Postfourrier, on 04 April 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

Here's how Spirit boost CD decrease (-40%) works together the -20% CD plate on a hypothetical 100 second skill :

100s -> 100s * (1-20%) = 80s with CD plate -> 80s * (1-40%) = 48s with both CD plate and Spirit Boost.

"Stack" described by gamers are vaguely defined.

That's a levelled stack formula , which means , some modifiers are applied first and then the next modifier modify the first modifier's result

Traditionally , what usually playerbase definition of stack is accumulated modifier stack which sum all modifier and apply it in one go , but i guess old timers like me didn't follow the trend of younger generation . I am sorry and thanks .

View PostEvellyn, on 04 April 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

its more advantage if you use damage heraldy on spiral edge. you just need to spam air pouce to active ac skill. when under show time+spiritboost you can spam 3-4x spiral edge.

On my mind if it was accumulated modifier stack , it would be (90-(90*70%)) = 27 seconds . And casting 3x (Air Pounce > Blooming Kick) takes 5~6.8s so after First ulti > 3x (AP > BK) > Ulti again , but sadly it isn't . The plate and the total skill is the first level modifier so (90-(90*30%))=x , x=63 , and the second level modifier is spirit boost which means = (63-(63*40%)) = 37.8 , roughly 38s

If it was like on my mind , it would means i can spam ulti under buff roughly 6~8 times , and it's a better damage than Barbs 3ECS ...

So by calculation even after using full cd setup only increase amount of ulti executed by 1 (from 3~4 to 4~5) ...

But oh well i have to do the investor's deed before i can test it so ...

@Evellyn & @fourrier Thanks a lot for explaining it to this old timers , i really appreciate it (:])

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 09:40 AM

View Postdupminus, on 05 April 2017 - 02:14 AM, said:

That's a levelled stack formula , which means , some modifiers are applied first and then the next modifier modify the first modifier's result

Traditionally , what usually playerbase definition of stack is accumulated modifier stack which sum all modifier and apply it in one go , but i guess old timers like me didn't follow the trend of younger generation . I am sorry and thanks .

*Erghm* I had been playing since late 2011 until October last year.
In term of game mechanics, I have tried to be as clear and as concise as possible when defining the term.

I use the term "stack" only as far as to describe "The 2 (or more) effects can coexist". But when it comes to calculation, we need to go deeper than the term "stack".

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 01:55 PM

View Postfourrier, on 05 April 2017 - 09:40 AM, said:

*Erghm* I had been playing since late 2011 until October last year.


I don't mean it in dragon nest only , but i've been playing illegally kDN obt/cbt cap 24 when not even full 8 man party can't clear minotaur's nest , that was fall 2008 to winter 2009/2010 i believe . It's not long after that that my account suspended and terminated due to blatant clear violation of kDN's ToS ...

But even i didn't play the original first launch of cap 16 , i heard there wasn't job advancement yet ...

View Postfourrier, on 05 April 2017 - 09:40 AM, said:

In term of game mechanics, I have tried to be as clear and as concise as possible when defining the term.

That's why i stated it as 'traditionally' . The online gamer that began to play after 1999~2000 have this tendency to include logical math to their build and explanation . I am sorry for not including the definition before i ask .

The first gaming term of 'stack' are used way before 1996 . It was not even a 'player terms' at that time . And at 2002 the terms stack began to refer to what we would call "Accumulated Modifier Stack" . Any other than that is not our definition of "stack" .

*ehem* , where are my manners . Back to topic .

Quick question from senior WW here :
  • I find awakening spiral kick useless , should i drop it or just save my scroll ? I rarely use it in pve neither in pvp ...
  • Should i take Air Pounce max or just leave it at 6 to gain access to Tempest's skill tree ? I didn't use it to dpsing since the damage comes from AC BK and ulti
And thanks before the answer ...

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 04:57 PM

View Postdupminus, on 05 April 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

Quick question from senior WW here :
  • I find awakening spiral kick useless , should i drop it or just save my scroll ? I rarely use it in pve neither in pvp ...
  • Should i take Air Pounce max or just leave it at 6 to gain access to Tempest's skill tree ? I didn't use it to dpsing since the damage comes from AC BK and ulti

View PostNvin, on 08 November 2016 - 03:37 AM, said:

Skill Build Notes (PvE)
Windwalker:
  • Max Air Pounce, since it will be spammed.
  • It is not necessary to max Spiral Kick [SK] (And take SK Awakening)
  • Spam Flash Kick to farm ACs
source: you already visited this thread but ok

if you're asking if you should use reset scroll, people can't really answer if you don't share your current build

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:26 PM

yes spiral kick awakening the one of the useless awk. like majesty awk charge misisle. is better you spend your sp to another skill.

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 05:25 PM

Hi, anyone who knows a thread of the current gear comparison?
TIA~


EDIT: need to gather info to update general guide

Edited by Nvin, 07 April 2017 - 05:25 PM.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 12:19 AM

View PostEvellyn, on 01 September 2016 - 12:29 AM, said:

ah my bad, i must be forget i didnt max rising strom cause i already click the ex skill (sorry) , thanks for remindering here. my new ww build. i only left spin kick in lv 1, cause is isnt main dps only for activation for ac.

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just want to ask, why you can still learn the spiral kick awakening even your spiral kick is level 1?

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:34 AM

View PostElociN, on 20 May 2017 - 12:19 AM, said:

just want to ask, why you can still learn the spiral kick awakening even your spiral kick is level 1?

Hi!

It would help if you re-read the whole thread. It was also a concern by others and was already corrected by Evellyn.
If you like a summary of what was discussed, you can check on the other thread, general acro guide (pinned and a link is on my sig.)

Have a nice day!