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Blade Dancer : Gust Demensia Vs Elegant Storm After The Buff


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#1 Emeritsu

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Posted 03 April 2016 - 11:57 PM

Hi there,

Just asking something to people who actually tested the BD incoming buff.
Considering elegant storm will get a damage boost (4.5k% to 6.8k%~~), i've got few questions :
- Gust demensia has a damage boost in overall ? (not counting the possibility to cast it a second time)
- What would be the best to tech(new tech system) between gust demensia and Elegant storm considering the changes ? (my guess is Gust demensia, but i'd rather ask ppl who actually tested it)

Thanks by advance :)

Edited by Emeritsu, 03 April 2016 - 11:58 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 12:14 AM

Idk you're the dancer main meng

#3 Emeritsu

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 12:21 AM

Yeap, but didnt play her boost :c, but still im assuming gust demensia will be stronger, just need confirmation :o

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 12:41 AM

DPS-wise, Elegant Storm EX is better.
It's less mobile (tho situational, GD EX is better on enemies that move a lot), and the cast time is shorter, therefore giving you more time to cast another skill afterwards.


Meanwhile, GD EX's damage is great and all, but takes a while to cast. It is now somewhat spammable tho since casting Twinkle Spin EX resets its cooldown (in expense of removing the extra hits from the EX).


All in all, it depends on who you fight, and how you play.
But DPS-wise, Elegant Storm EX wins.


(This is based on theory, however. If I am wrong, please do correct me.)

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 01:03 AM

Maybe this will help:

http://forum.cherryc...pure-pve-build/

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 01:11 AM

View Postinfinoopy, on 04 April 2016 - 12:41 AM, said:

DPS-wise, Elegant Storm EX is better.
It's less mobile (tho situational, GD EX is better on enemies that move a lot), and the cast time is shorter, therefore giving you more time to cast another skill afterwards.


Meanwhile, GD EX's damage is great and all, but takes a while to cast. It is now somewhat spammable tho since casting Twinkle Spin EX resets its cooldown (in expense of removing the extra hits from the EX).


All in all, it depends on who you fight, and how you play.
But DPS-wise, Elegant Storm EX wins.


(This is based on theory, however. If I am wrong, please do correct me.)
Well, on theory, "DPS"-wise it's obviously GD which wins with the upcoming buff : you'll be able to cast it twice and it has nearly 400% per hit and ex gives + 50% additional dmg and it does atleast 10hits without additional hits(which are lost due to changes). So, in theory, GD wins by far, but yea, situation can change the deal, and I didnt try the real outcome of GD^^
Thanks for the reply tho, and that's why I asked for actual tests ppl made^^

View PostAynix, on 04 April 2016 - 01:03 AM, said:

Thanks for the link, checked and % arent up to date compared to upcoming patch^^

Edited by Emeritsu, 04 April 2016 - 01:13 AM.


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 12:24 PM

Hello, my guide isn't updated for the dancer revamp yet. I have my excel with me with updated numbers waiting to be inserted in the guide once it comes in SEA.

Current Gust Demensia: Lv11 4133%/ 30 hits = 137.76% per hit (4133% board damage)
Current Gust Demensia EX: Lv11 (4133% * 1.5 ex) / 30 hits = 206.65% per hit (6199.5% board damage)

Revamp GD was changed to 20 hits.

Revamp Gust Demensia: Lv11: 402% per hit * 24 hits = 9648% board damage (402% per hit)
Revamp Gust Demensia EX: Lv11 402% * 1.5 ex * 24 hits = 14472% board damage (603% per hit)

Comparing before and after revamp of board damage GD ex

|(6199.5% - 12060%) / 6199.5| = 0.9453 * 100 = 133% increase


Comparing before and after revamp of per hit GD ex

|(206.65% - 603%) / 206.65%| * 100 = 191.8% increase (the hits was roughly buffed almost x3 compared to the current one)

Current Casting time: 5s, (1st-4th second 5 hits each, 5th second 10 hits)
New Casting time: 4s (1st-4th second 5 hits each)

Anyway, a lot of people thought that the removal additional hits was a nerf, but it's actually a "buff" in disguise for dancers. Currently GD's casting time is 5s (1st-4th seconds has 5 hits each, 5th second has 10 hits). With the removal of the additional hits, the casting time became 1 second less, and in return we got our GD buffed a lot to compensate that. The board damage was buffed more than twice, and the per hit % was buffed almost x3.

Current Elegant Storm: Lv13 4555% board damage
Current Elegant Storm EX: Lv13 4555% * 1.3 = 5921.5% board damage

Revamp Elegant Storm: Lv13 6782% board damage
Revamp Elegant Storm: Lv13 6782% * 1.3 = 8816.6% board damage


% damage of pre revamp and current

|(5921.5% - 8816.5%) / 5921.5%| * 100 = 48.89% increase

Casting time: 4s

Now that we cleared up all the numbers, let's go between the skill techs. If we assume we're going +1 for either one of them we'll get 10% damage increase in board damage.

GD EX: 14472% * 1.1 = 15919.2% (1447.2% increase, 15919.2%-14472%)
ES EX: 8816.6% * 1.1 = 9698.26% (881.66% increase, 9698.26%-8816%)

With the GD reset you could potentially have 2894% (1447% * 2) increase just by going for a +1 skill tech on it.

If you found anything wrong with my calculations feel free to correct me. Thanks! Hope this help~

Edited by Kouzaku, 04 April 2016 - 02:26 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 01:29 PM

^
Base of my observation, the new revamp Gust Demensia is not 20 hits. It is 23~27 hits if I am not mistaken.

#9 Kouzaku

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 01:34 PM

any video? i can't seem to find one (single target). I just based my calculation on the freedom patch notes. (:])

http://www.freedompl...-skill-changes/

Edited by Kouzaku, 04 April 2016 - 01:35 PM.


#10 Emeritsu

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 01:42 PM

View PostKouzaku, on 04 April 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Hello, my guide isn't updated for the dancer revamp yet. I have my excel with me with updated numbers waiting to be inserted in the guide once it comes in SEA.

Current Gust Demensia: Lv11 4133%/ 30 hits = 137.76% per hit (4133% board damage)
Current Gust Demensia EX: Lv11 (4133% * 1.5 ex) / 30 hits = 206.65% per hit (6199.5% board damage)

Revamp GD was changed to 20 hits.

Revamp Gust Demensia: Lv11: 402% per hit * 20 hits = 8040% board damage (402% per hit)
Revamp Gust Demensia EX: Lv11 402% * 1.5 ex * 20 hits = 12060% board damage (603% per hit)

Comparing before and after revamp of board damage GD ex

|(6199.5% - 12060%) / 6199.5| = 0.9453 * 100 = 94.53% increase


Comparing before and after revamp of per hit GD ex

|(206.65% - 603%) / 206.65%| * 100 = 191.8% increase (the hits was roughly buffed almost x3 compared to the current one)

Current Casting time: 5s, (1st-4th second 5 hits each, 5th second 10 hits)
New Casting time: 4s (1st-4th second 5 hits each)

Anyway, a lot of people thought that the removal additional hits was a nerf, but it's actually a "buff" in disguise for dancers. Currently GD's casting time is 5s (1st-4th seconds has 5 hits each, 5th second has 10 hits). With the removal of the additional hits, the casting time became 1 second less, and in return we got our GD buffed a lot to compensate that. The board damage was roughly buffed twice, and the per hit % was buffed almost x3.

Current Elegant Storm: Lv13 4555% board damage
Current Elegant Storm EX: Lv13 4555% * 1.3 = 5921.5% board damage

Revamp Elegant Storm: Lv13 6782% board damage
Revamp Elegant Storm: Lv13 6782% * 1.3 = 8816.6% board damage


% damage of pre revamp and current

|(5921.5% - 8816.5%) / 5921.5%| * 100 = 48.89% increase

Casting time: 4s

Now that we cleared up all the numbers, let's go between the skill techs. If we assume we're going +1 for either one of them we'll get 10% damage increase in board damage.

GD EX: 12060% * 1.1 = 13266% (1206% increase, 13266%-12060%)
ES EX: 8816.6% * 1.1 = 9698.26% (881.66% increase, 9698.26%-8816%)

With the GD reset you could potentially have 2412% (1206% * 2) increase just by going for a +1 skill tech on it.

If you found anything wrong with my calculations feel free to correct me. Thanks! Hope this help~

Thanks there, that's exactly what I was looking for, confirming my thoughts :)
Awesome work ;)
About number of hits, here is what I found.
Quite bad gameplay on the video, but at 1:11 we can see the number of hits quite clearly
https://www.youtube....h?v=CNIaC73vjic
from 1:11, 24hits before BD starts, ends at 1:16 with 51hits.
So this is a total of 27hits. I guess the boss got multi-hit by the same hit at some point because that looks way too much

Edited by Emeritsu, 04 April 2016 - 01:50 PM.


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 01:55 PM

View PostKouzaku, on 04 April 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

any video? i can't seem to find one (single target). I just based my calculation on the freedom patch notes. (:])

http://www.freedompl...-skill-changes/
Some vid:
- 2 BD in RDN
http://www.bilibili....151898/?nxid=62
- ABN
http://bbs.duowan.co...367955-1-1.html
- DDN
http://bbs.duowan.co...325569-1-1.html
- DN HC
http://bbs.duowan.co...352837-1-1.html

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 02:05 PM

hmm.. Interesting,
based on initial observation...
the number of hits became 24 on ground and 27 when you cast it during midair from twinkle spin (3 hits comes from going down from midair). It becomes 6 hits per second instead 5 hits. So the board damage of GD ex becomes 14.4k% for 24 hits... Casting time still 4s

I edited the computation above with 24 hits as the base hit of HG. Thank you~

------------still watching the videos-------

Edited by Kouzaku, 04 April 2016 - 02:27 PM.


#13 Emeritsu

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 02:58 PM

This looks stronger than expected, it's almost like they didnt actually remove the additional hits xD

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 03:11 PM

No problem~ Thanks for the videos you guys posted (:])

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 05:32 PM

So, who will be better DPS after revamp in your opinion, Spirit Dancer or Blade Dancer?

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:54 PM

I can't really say. In terms of numbers alone, BD is definitely higher than SD. However, people from the other servers who experienced the changes would disagree with me and say SD is better. In field application, SD has probably the upperhand after considering all factors that might affect the dps. So, i will keep my mouth shut until it comes here and test it myself. All i can provide right now are numbers for theoretical analysis. (:])

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:10 PM

emg josh chua senpai

#18 Kouzaku

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 10:21 PM

*secretly stalking SEA/NA/EU forum guides everyday* :ph34r:

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 12:29 AM

So there isn't big diffrence between them, good.

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 04:38 AM

View PostKouzaku, on 04 April 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Now that we cleared up all the numbers, let's go between the skill techs. If we assume we're going +1 for either one of them we'll get 10% damage increase in board damage.

GD EX: 14472% * 1.1 = 15919.2% (1447.2% increase, 15919.2%-14472%)
ES EX: 8816.6% * 1.1 = 9698.26% (881.66% increase, 9698.26%-8816%)

With the GD reset you could potentially have 28944% (14472% * 2) increase just by going for a +1 skill tech on it.

If you found anything wrong with my calculations feel free to correct me. Thanks! Hope this help~

Fixed for you, Alexieve-sensei (bow)