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#1 d4rk4ng3l

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 04:12 PM

Hmmm.... dear members.... i have read through the lancea section post.... and make me quite wondering.... why is SB not favoured in LFP or nest... well we know that they could de-buff.... and mid ranged attacker.... or maybe just because they couldn't deal decent damage.... they are not needed?

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 04:48 PM

well... its quite hard to pull off full potential using SB, as it needs u to anticipate boss movements in order to use PS+SH+PB combo effectively. another factor is that huge nerf that fell on SB when 90 cap came, pubs have been having negative views of SB

however if u poured enough love to ur SB u can make pubs jaw drop once u hit 2x bar+ of boss hp using PS+SH+PB combo (lol)

Edited by xEquation, 08 September 2016 - 05:03 PM.


#3 rikolero

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Posted 08 September 2016 - 05:14 PM

As long as you're geared you'll be fine

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 09:06 AM

 d4rk4ng3l, on 08 September 2016 - 04:12 PM, said:

Hmmm.... dear members.... i have read through the lancea section post.... and make me quite wondering.... why is SB not favoured in LFP or nest... well we know that they could de-buff.... and mid ranged attacker.... or maybe just because they couldn't deal decent damage.... they are not needed?
Decent damage,
My saint and destro could dps better than sb.
Even if i throw all kind of skill pulling combo including all my flurry rdnl and plate+set+cc item+epic costume... they need boost.. like alot

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 09:24 AM

WHO'S REJECTING LANCEA BAES BLASPHEMOUS PEOPLE


@topic

People who are picky with class only means they will rely on you to carry them.

Lanceas brings Harmony and Joy (:>)

Edited by SorceressHater, 09 September 2016 - 09:26 AM.


#6 rikolero

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 01:03 PM

Everybody loves Harmo

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 03:08 PM

 rikolero, on 09 September 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

Everybody loves Harmo
Thats why we called it "Harmony" class=
but I called it, "Steroid" (lol)

Edited by XaelCry, 09 September 2016 - 03:12 PM.


#8 Vaporizer

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 05:53 PM

On a serious note tho, she's just overshadowed by the other top tier DPS classes.

She's definitely not bad, but when it comes to public parties and their pickiness....

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Posted 09 September 2016 - 06:09 PM

SB dps now very low. SB can only outdps supported class: Saint, Guar, LF, defensio.
- All 5 warrior outdps SB.
- All 5 archer outdps SB
- All 4 sorc outdps SB
- All 4 Kali outdps SB.
- All 4 loli can outdps SB
- Except LF, other Sin outdps SB (AW is questionable though).
- Riuna and Flurry outdps SB
Yup, SB is that bad.
I still accept SB in my IDN party though providing they are geared and skilled. Harmo is love.

Edited by FirePhoenix, 09 September 2016 - 06:12 PM.


#10 xEquation

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Posted 10 September 2016 - 08:36 AM

^ ouch (:[) luckily my sb is the most geared among my guildies so i tend to always out dps them by a huge margin

sb needs a unique debuff like our sister, or revamp our class mastery 1, currently it just increases mattk by 30% on succesful hit... since our skills have low board dmg and hits multiple times they could at least make it that for every hit increases magic dmg/int by 1% up to 50% max (with 0.3s internal cd ofc) and lasts for 20~30s. this system shouldnt replace the currently EP bubble, but just a buff with stack counter like guardian bubbles/reload

Edited by xEquation, 10 September 2016 - 10:04 AM.


#11 rikolero

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Posted 10 September 2016 - 02:31 PM

-snip-

Edited by rikolero, 10 September 2016 - 02:36 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2016 - 02:58 PM

 xEquation, on 10 September 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

^ ouch (:[) luckily my sb is the most geared among my guildies so i tend to always out dps them by a huge margin

sb needs a unique debuff like our sister, or revamp our class mastery 1, currently it just increases mattk by 30% on succesful hit... since our skills have low board dmg and hits multiple times they could at least make it that for every hit increases magic dmg/int by 1% up to 50% max (with 0.3s internal cd ofc) and lasts for 20~30s. this system shouldnt replace the currently EP bubble, but just a buff with stack counter like guardian bubbles/reload
30% matk should be changed to 30% Light,
The Ele debuff revamp so it can be stacked
Add 30-50% dmg boost to their main skill dps and remove hit limit/make changes to 1hit limit for their skill with huge board damage.
That way the wouldnt have problem dealing with small hitbox.

but dev be like... lets just boost this skill by xx %.

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 01:38 AM

I got lots of sting breezer friends and they're pretty bad ass in PVE i guess there's just too many people out there who underestimate the power of sting bree's beautiful skills.

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Posted 15 September 2016 - 04:54 PM

 KawaiiNekoChan, on 15 September 2016 - 01:38 AM, said:

I got lots of sting breezer friends and they're pretty bad ass in PVE i guess there's just too many people out there who underestimate the power of sting bree's beautiful skills.

those who survived pushes their sb to the limits (cool)

#15 Neolia

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 05:53 AM

Uhh i don't get how you can say that SB is bad and need a boost ! (oo)  I'm actually dealing insane damage, sure i'm not as strong as all the bandwagon class but still pretty decent compare to them !

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 06:15 AM

 Neolia, on 26 September 2016 - 05:53 AM, said:

Uhh i don't get how you can say that SB is bad and need a boost ! (oo)  I'm actually dealing insane damage, sure i'm not as strong as all the bandwagon class but still pretty decent compare to them !
Did tried sb compability in most of raid party?
Its hard to land their main skill with moving enemies.
PS need timing, wrong button you lost the dmg.
Their dmg is insane but their skill utility is bad as old ml.

Why? Hovering blade/dent blow/Spear only can hit their max potential when the enemy doesnt move and big hit box,
Piercing spike is almost like Shock of Relic unless this is your only burst skill and when you missed it its a gg. imagine hitting it in idn stage 2 :I?

SB need a boost or mechanics change like ML awakening .
If you're thinking your dmg is good enough to compete with other tier B/A class idm since my +6 theano destro basically have better dps than +13 evolved nm and +12 evolved,skill ring ele,100% crit in 90 cap nest,cc items,3rd stat heraldy,rare talis. (i never hit more than 6m dps with her regardless no matter how hard i push it, even my saint have equal dps that time)

Their debuff also like adept over phy or gm over ss, so can easly replaced due they dont have ex ele debuff skill or even crit resist.

Which my main suggestion their awakening should change it all

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 07:50 AM

 XaelCry, on 26 September 2016 - 06:15 AM, said:

Did tried sb compability in most of raid party?
Its hard to land their main skill with moving enemies.
PS need timing, wrong button you lost the dmg.
Their dmg is insane but their skill utility is bad as old ml.

Why? Hovering blade/dent blow/Spear only can hit their max potential when the enemy doesnt move and big hit box,
Piercing spike is almost like Shock of Relic unless this is your only burst skill and when you missed it its a gg. imagine hitting it in idn stage 2 :I?

SB need a boost or mechanics change like ML awakening .
If you're thinking your dmg is good enough to compete with other tier B/A class idm since my +6 theano destro basically have better dps than +13 evolved nm and +12 evolved,skill ring ele,100% crit in 90 cap nest,cc items,3rd stat heraldy,rare talis. (i never hit more than 6m dps with her regardless no matter how hard i push it, even my saint have equal dps that time)

Their debuff also like adept over phy or gm over ss, so can easly replaced due they dont have ex ele debuff skill or even crit resist.

Which my main suggestion their awakening should change it all

I don't have any problems with landing the spikes tho', when you know the mech you're getting use to it and know where to throw them.

It isn't as hard as Shock of Relic, actually the cast is not that long anymore, of course my dmg is not as much as really strong classes but my burst is actually the strongest and really useful for IDN DPS check mechanics.
I had some problems with the 2nd boss in IDN of course, but i got use to his mech and now i have the timing for the spikes and there's some burst moment there. So that's not that hard. o.o

With all the changes they made, (CD reduction / Skill % increase) the class is really spamy. The only change i would care about is DMG boost on Dent Blow and Hovering, then i would be fine with the class overall. (If they would stop disappearing sometime when i use Arcane Focus !) (T.T)


Of course she doesn't have any EX debuff, but they removed the buff stack on CDN actually so probably sooner or later they gonna add it to SEA and EU.

Edited by Neolia, 26 September 2016 - 07:57 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2016 - 08:29 AM

just remove that damn elem debuff from arcane focus and and put it on dent blow or something, rather than only able to debuff 1 single mob

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 08:34 AM

 xEquation, on 26 September 2016 - 08:29 AM, said:

just remove that damn elem debuff from arcane focus and and put it on dent blow or something, rather than only able to debuff 1 single mob

Where do you need to debuff more than 1 mob anyway ? (:>)

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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:27 AM

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