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93 Cap Acrobat General Guide (Windwalkers And Tempests)


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#61 Nvin

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Posted 07 April 2017 - 06:35 AM

View Postmarshallphantom, on 04 April 2017 - 12:05 AM, said:

in pvp, tempest in ninja nerfed again.. i often see bubble gaining 1 per second, compared to my windwalker 2 bubbles/second @.@

So I managed to login today.

Just tested this out... it is a game changer for tempests. However, this might be to balance the AC skills since Tempests only needs 30 ACs for AC HD and AC SV.
While windwalkers need 50 ACs for all of our AC skills.


EDIT: it was like this since the beginning

Edited by Nvin, 08 April 2017 - 07:48 PM.


#62 eldentsai

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 07:46 PM

View Postmarshallphantom, on 04 April 2017 - 12:05 AM, said:

in pvp, tempest in ninja nerfed again.. i often see bubble gaining 1 per second, compared to my windwalker 2 bubbles/second @.@
It's been like that since beginning.
The nerfs in PVP for tempest are: awaken spirit boost duration from 22s (or 19s) down to 11s, awaken spiral votex dmg only 1/2 compare to original version

Edited by eldentsai, 08 April 2017 - 07:46 PM.


#63 Nvin

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 07:47 PM

View Posteldentsai, on 08 April 2017 - 07:46 PM, said:

It's been like that since beginning.
The nerfs in PVP for tempest are: awaken spirit boost duration from 22s down to 11s, awaken spiral votex dmg only 1/2 compare to original version

Oh, so it was like that since SEA had it? I did not notice it quite as I do not play my tempest very often.

#64 Nvin

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Posted 08 April 2017 - 09:56 PM

Updated Gears section with Post-RuDN Gears information

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 01:21 PM


  • I have done some mathematics to compare AC skills dmg ( only theory ):

    AC - Blooming kick = (250%*3393%) + (30%x3393%) = 9662.4% (30% from ex skill and 3393% is level 11 BK)
    AC - Rising Storm = 6202%  (no dmg change)
    AC - Eagle Dive = 300%*2765%*130% = 10783.5% ( 130% from ex skills and 2765% is level 19 ED)
    AC - Swift Attack = 150%x6502% = 9753% (this skill don't have ex and no skill accessories)



  • And now i go to skills combo comparation:

    combo AC-Blooming + Air Pounce = 9662.4% + 1634% = 11296.4% (level 20 AP)
    combo AC-Eagle Dive + DSK = 10783.5% + 2204% = 12987.5% (level 16 DSK)

    I dont see anyone use combo with Swift Attack then i dont compare this skill.
And you can see that AC-Eagle Dive + DSK are obviously more OP than AC-Blooming Kick + AP
But i see almost ww on acrobat post and this post use combo AC-BK + AP.
Can someone explain why they use AC-BK + AP as the main combo?

#66 Nvin

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 12:30 AM

^
1. You did not consider the +20% Damage Increase Received debuff of Blooming Kick
2. Eagle Dive EX only increases only the attack of ED by  30% not 130%
Spoiler
3. EX skills only increases and not amplify hence, addition should be used not multiplication.
4. You also did not consider Skill Attack Increase Plates.

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Assumptions:
  • A full hit DSK was made
  • BK Flip kick was hit

Edited by Nvin, 16 May 2017 - 12:36 AM.


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 01:19 AM

anyone experienced eagle dive not working? instead your char just stands like a log and falls verticaly down.is there a height required to execute it? rotation is normal when no AC is  bk+flip+eagle dive. but sometimes eagle dive doesnt execute after the flip.

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 01:48 AM

Thank you for the information (:D)

I clear it out thanks to you (:]) and i think i have my own skill build from now (hat)

P/S: In my formula for ED dmg, i use 130% instead of 30% because its a multiple(*) not a plus(+) (;])

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 02:07 PM

View PostNvin, on 16 May 2017 - 12:30 AM, said:

^
1. You did not consider the +20% Damage Increase Received debuff of Blooming Kick
2. Eagle Dive EX only increases only the attack of ED by  30% not 130%
Spoiler
3. EX skills only increases and not amplify hence, addition should be used not multiplication.
4. You also did not consider Skill Attack Increase Plates.

Posted Image

Assumptions:
  • A full hit DSK was made
  • BK Flip kick was hit

but you could still use normal BK for +20% dmg debuff while spamming AC ED in your rotation
and AC ED animation is faster and safer than AC BK

the dmg of DSK is not that high so sometimes i just use it for utility (to rise up to the air, followed by either air pounce for another AC ED or tiptops to escape)

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 12:46 AM

View Postlimjomat, on 16 May 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

but you could still use normal BK for +20% dmg debuff while spamming AC ED in your rotation
and AC ED animation is faster and safer than AC BK

the dmg of DSK is not that high so sometimes i just use it for utility (to rise up to the air, followed by either air pounce for another AC ED or tiptops to escape)

I will have to agree with you that AC ED is indeed faster, but I have to disagree with it being safer.

being "Safe" is subjective, so I respect your point of view but for me, AC BK is much more safer to cast than AC ED.

AC BK is ranged, thus you will be able to cast it at a distance sacrificing the 30% flip kick, for safety. AC ED on the other hand requires you to be near the opponent.

I also find AC BK efficient than other AC Skills because of, again, its range and being linear. Most mechanics, you will be able to burst 2 AC BKs consecutively when needed.
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Personally, a problem I just recently realized with ED is that it is risky, in a way that it descends down. Windwalkers, in my view, should always ascend up and maintain airborne as much as possible. Being grounded, even for a few seconds, is a risk esp. when close to mobs/bosses.

I will chose to burst AC RS than AC ED at times because it ascends upward.

Eagle Dive is my favorite WW Skill, I tried to advocate it before during that Awakening period, however on the discussion on the Acrobat thread (check the link on the first post), It was agreed that AC BK should be the priority.


PS: I most times get mistaken as a sub of yours as our IGN is close. (:])

Edited by Nvin, 17 May 2017 - 12:52 AM.