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#1 ShineFactor

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Posted 29 November 2016 - 06:21 PM

Because there are so few defensio vids, enjoy ! :D

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

#2 PawHammer

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Posted 29 November 2016 - 08:22 PM

Nice video, thank you for sharing it with the community!

Out of curiosity, what gear are you using? And this playstyle of yours is very particular and full of action, nice job!

#3 ShineFactor

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Posted 29 November 2016 - 08:28 PM

View PostPawHammer, on 29 November 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

Nice video, thank you for sharing it with the community!

Out of curiosity, what gear are you using? And this playstyle of yours is very particular and full of action, nice job!

Ty ! Using clean idn U upper/lower, rdn u helm, +8 claw, along with gloves and shoes for set bonus and clean idn U knuckle gear, which makes 110k patk, 22% ice and about 1k fd.

Defensio unlike most ppl might think isn't just about charging gear like ruina is all about overcharge, but she's rather focused on stacking taunting blow marks for a good nuke, if devs ever gonna turn defensio into a dps, all they have to do is increase even more taunting blow's board dmg :)

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Posted 29 November 2016 - 09:06 PM

View PostShineFactor, on 29 November 2016 - 08:28 PM, said:

Defensio unlike most ppl might think isn't just about charging gear like ruina is all about overcharge, but she's rather focused on stacking taunting blow marks for a good nuke, if devs ever gonna turn defensio into a dps, all they have to do is increase even more taunting blow's board dmg :)
Well, this is what DN is all about, finding our own way to play our characters! (And making them wear cute costumes and accessories).

In my case, I play my defensio in a rather different way, by using TB as either starter or finisher. I do keep the mark on enemies so that the agro goes to me and not to my teammates, who would be in trouble if that was the case, explode it only on the last seconds of provoke.

I wanted to try and compare the two playstyles in terms of damage, so I went to daidalos normal as well. However, my gear and build are rather different, so I can't really compare (reached 5'9M DPS in daidalos without spark or cash plates, but I know for a fact that it's because of the gear I'm using).

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Posted 29 November 2016 - 09:33 PM

Yup, this is what I'd do in a party as well, but if protecting the party members isn't required, I'd just stack as many marks as possible within 15sec after the first one to get the biggest nuke possible.
But you must not forget to use other skills as well and in order to reset taunting blow's cd consistently, you have to let gear steps hit completly as each hit will reduce the cd, this is why you see me using step up a lot, or foot stomp whole animation as well as foot stomp/rock away chain

Edited by ShineFactor, 29 November 2016 - 09:43 PM.


#6 zuyi

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Posted 30 November 2016 - 12:56 AM

such pawmance

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Posted 30 November 2016 - 07:35 AM

with me Defensio is very SM (:D) (:D) (:D)
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Posted 01 December 2016 - 02:48 PM

View PostAthe, on 30 November 2016 - 07:35 AM, said:

Spoiler
Are those RDNL sets Bank Storage-able?

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 04:43 PM

View PostJakielyn, on 01 December 2016 - 02:48 PM, said:

Are those RDNL sets Bank Storage-able?

The wraths yes, but crafted equipment no.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 02:50 AM

View PostAthe, on 30 November 2016 - 07:35 AM, said:

with me Defensio is very SM %20br= My baby (<3)  Posted Image

I'm confused about your HP, to be honest.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 03:05 AM

View PostPawHammer, on 08 December 2016 - 02:50 AM, said:

I'm confused about your HP, to be honest.
i'm assuming the player is using str + agi jades to further push the attack stats, although idk how much does str gives. 0.5 conversion rate per 1str?

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 03:13 AM

View PostChellyChi, on 08 December 2016 - 03:05 AM, said:

i'm assuming the player is using str + agi jades to further push the attack stats, although idk how much does str gives. 0.5 conversion rate per 1str?

1:0.25 Str:PAtk
1:1.75 Str:Crit Dmg

It's understandable for DPS classes but idk what they'd achieve by boosting Str on Defensio at this point in time. Pretty sure if I shared a DPS build for my Guard on the Pally/Priest thread, people would just laugh at me.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 03:26 AM

View Postzuyi, on 08 December 2016 - 03:13 AM, said:

1:0.25 Str:PAtk
1:1.75 Str:Crit Dmg

It's understandable for DPS classes but idk what they'd achieve by boosting Str on Defensio at this point in time. Pretty sure if I shared a DPS build for my Guard on the Pally/Priest thread, people would just laugh at me.

I mean... I have 9k less attack than his build, but like 2M HP more in town, even when I use IDNL shoes. I guess he is trying to stockpile final damage or critical damage or both then.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 03:32 AM

View PostPawHammer, on 08 December 2016 - 03:26 AM, said:

I mean... I have 9k less attack than his build, but like 2M HP more. I guess he is trying to stockpile final damage or critical damage or both then.

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Maybe the armours are +6 ~ +10 enhanced range, dunno.

Also, you use 90 Accessories I assume while the other player uses RDNL, while RDNL have decent vit on themselves, 90 offensive jades give 474 Vit + 2.5% HP each and Defensive ones 9__ Vit + 5% HP each (can't believe I forgot how much vit they give, dayum) so I guess you gain more HP there too. Though it's definitely weird that the difference in HP is so huge for such a minor difference in PAtk, considering RDNL rings can have L jades too.

Just noticed before pressing post - their max MAtk is 90k whereas yours is 97k, are your weapons +13 by any chance? Maybe +12 vs. +13 would make a difference too.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 03:33 AM

View Postzuyi, on 08 December 2016 - 03:32 AM, said:

Maybe the armours are +6 ~ +10 enhanced range, dunno.

Also, you use 90 Accessories I assume while the other player uses RDNL, while RDNL have decent vit on themselves, 90 offensive jades give 474 Vit + 2.5% HP each and Defensive ones 9__ Vit + 5% HP each (can't believe I forgot how much vit they give, dayum) so I guess you gain more HP there too. Though it's definitely weird that the difference in HP is so huge for such a minor difference in PAtk, considering RDNL rings can have L jades too.

Just noticed before pressing post - their max MAtk is 90k whereas yours is 97k, are your weapons +13 by any chance? Maybe +12 vs. +13 would make a difference too.

No, they are +12 leica and +12 RDNL claw. Might have to do with me riding my manticore mount in town?

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 03:47 AM

View PostPawHammer, on 08 December 2016 - 03:33 AM, said:



No, they are +12 leica and +12 RDNL claw. Might have to do with me riding my manticore mount in town?

Nah Manticore wouldn't make that big a difference, I guess your weapons just have a lot higher damage than his, hence not much lower while still stacking as much HP as you can.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 09:25 AM

After reading this thread, I got encouraged to try out a DN Norm and even a DN HC. And by God!, I never thought I could solo them already. :o

My stats are 10k to 20k less than PawMimi, but nevertheless, I never knew my bunneh-cat would be this impressive.

Thanks fellow Defensio! :)

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 06:46 PM

View Postzuyi, on 08 December 2016 - 03:32 AM, said:

Maybe the armours are +6 ~ +10 enhanced range, dunno.

Also, you use 90 Accessories I assume while the other player uses RDNL, while RDNL have decent vit on themselves, 90 offensive jades give 474 Vit + 2.5% HP each and Defensive ones 9__ Vit + 5% HP each (can't believe I forgot how much vit they give, dayum) so I guess you gain more HP there too. Though it's definitely weird that the difference in HP is so huge for such a minor difference in PAtk, considering RDNL rings can have L jades too.

Just noticed before pressing post - their max MAtk is 90k whereas yours is 97k, are your weapons +13 by any chance? Maybe +12 vs. +13 would make a difference too.

L jades don't have the VIT + max HP bonuses that are present on level 90 and above offensive jades.

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 06:53 PM

And you guys show off your gears on my vid thread :feelsbadman:

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 07:23 PM

View PostVaporizer, on 08 December 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

L jades don't have the VIT + max HP bonuses that are present on level 90 and above offensive jades.

I already thought about all of that if you notice, the difference in hp is 2m vs 3.9m. Thats 1.95x more HP, which can be considered quite significant.

Edited by zuyi, 08 December 2016 - 07:24 PM.