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#21 Reflector

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 02:06 AM

View PostHotaruhine, on 15 January 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

So I guess this Soulcrack/D is a very well known PVP Player who is complete with all CC plates intended for PVP.  To the mods I would like to question the overblown power of DA in its transformation.
How come they can easily dodge elestras ice phere and not be frozen at most times. How come the distance each movement they can do is like an unlimited teleportation of FUs.
- DA's tumble has a distance almost equal to kali's tumble and can be spammed with no cd HOWEVER it relies on how many avenger bubbles he has. Avenger force gives 10. Each critical hit from avenger tree gives 1 (CM1). And most players have the tendency to cast DA transformation each cd of Avenger force so it might only take 10s for the transformation to wear out. Other skill that can be used to dodge is dark suffering which is like flash stance.

How come that they have so much SA that a maxed shockwave cant even knock them down.
-Only dark riser can do that...you must have cast it during he cast it.

How come that even at a far distance their skills can already knock or havoc another class down and even break SAs. I know that this game is dying and has never really been BALANCED. but i cant, i just cant...
-They have strong damage with good SA break but is limited by range, mild SA of most skills, and how slow the skills are when DA transformation ends


#22 Lordghe

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 06:10 AM

i love it when people say the game is dying when they complain about something about the game (lol)

#23 OpinionGuy

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 09:22 AM

View PostVhanzy, on 15 January 2017 - 07:11 AM, said:

a sorc user questioning how imbalance other class is, this is gonna be good (:D)
(lol)


Either the player, Soulcrack/D you mentioned is decently good at DA, or you just don't know how to counter a transformed DA yet.
Transformed DA is easy once you get the hang of them, unless you meet a very very pro DA then that's another story.

Well, my piece of advice:
1) Know your own strength as well as enemy's (that's, know how DA's skills work)
2) Hone your EL skills more
3) Observe
4) Stay calm
5) Enjoy rekting them (cool)

If none of above advice work, then you can resolve to booyah's advice.

View Postbooyah, on 15 January 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

1. Kick the player out.
(This option is recommended if he starts to trash talk.)

2. Let him stay, Learn what makes him OP, and see if you can beat his moves.
This will involve you dying a lot, and probably having to bear his trash talking, but its all for your exp, if you are the type that gets easily offended by a few mild remarks, its best you go with option 1

On side note, sorc themselves IMO are just already OP even in the hand of average player.

Edited by OpinionGuy, 16 January 2017 - 12:58 PM.


#24 Vhanzy

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 12:06 PM

View PostOpinionGuy, on 16 January 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

(lol)


Either the player, Soulcrack/D you mentioned is decently good at DA, or you just don't know how to counter a transformed DA yet.
Transformed DA is easy once you get the hang of them, unless you meet a very very pro DA then that's another story.

Well, my piece of advice:
1) Know your own strength as well as enemy's (that's, know how DA's skills work)
2) Hone your EL skills more
3) Observe
4) Stay calm
5) Enjoy rekting them (cool)

this could be summarize to just "git gud mate!"  (:D)

#25 OpinionGuy

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 02:11 PM

View PostVhanzy, on 16 January 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

this could be summarize to just "git gud mate!"  (:D)
Sound like I had just mocked TS because of those "advice" of mine. (oo;)
If that's the case, my apologize.


Anyway, to TS:
My other advice is just try playing a DA in DWC & test them out.
This way you can learn the very pro & con of DA class.
You can also try this skill simulator as well:
https://dnskillsim.h...---------------

Below are just for your information:
1) DA's main source of bubbles mostly come from Avenger Force buff skill, which give 10 bubbles.
IIRC, Avenger Force have 30 sec CD in PVP. (24 sec if cd plated)

2) His transformation skill also has 30 sec CD via DA tree passive in PVP. (Originally 60 sec if no passive)
It cost 1 bubble every 1 sec during transformation.

3) DA tumble cost 1 bubble each time he use it, and have 0.5 sec CD.
That mean his transformation will end faster if he spam tumble too much.

4) His notable high SA + SAB countermeasure skill is Dark Riser, cast rather instantly fast with 50% action plate.

5) DA most likely will use Vengence Storm > Doom Blade > Dark Crash combo on you when they transform.
But those skills have 40 sec CD. Those skills also create 2 bubbles when cast.

Edited by OpinionGuy, 16 January 2017 - 02:18 PM.


#26 Vhanzy

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 02:39 PM

View PostOpinionGuy, on 16 January 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

Sound like I had just mocked TS because of those "advice" of mine. (oo;)
If that's the case, my apologize.


Anyway, to TS:
My other advice is just try playing a DA in DWC & test them out.
This way you can learn the very pro & con of DA class.
You can also try this skill simulator as well:
https://dnskillsim.h...---------------

Below are just for your information:
1) DA's main source of bubbles mostly come from Avenger Force buff skill, which give 10 bubbles.
IIRC, Avenger Force have 30 sec CD in PVP. (24 sec if cd plated)

2) His transformation skill also has 30 sec CD via DA tree passive in PVP. (Originally 60 sec if no passive)
It cost 1 bubble every 1 sec during transformation.

3) DA tumble cost 1 bubble each time he use it, and have 0.5 sec CD.
That mean his transformation will end faster if he spam tumble too much.

4) His notable high SA + SAB countermeasure skill is Dark Riser, cast rather instantly fast with 50% action plate.

5) DA most likely will use Vengence Storm > Doom Blade > Dark Crash combo on you when they transform.
But those skills have 40 sec CD. Those skills also create 2 bubbles when cast.

Nothing wrong with what you said to TS its just me messing around.
And what you said is what should everyone be doing first before complaining opness or imbalance of the game

#27 OpinionGuy

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 02:44 PM

View PostVhanzy, on 16 January 2017 - 02:39 PM, said:

Nothing wrong with what you said to TS its just me messing around.
And what you said is what should everyone be doing first before complaining opness or imbalance of the game
I see, perhaps I was just overthinking, oh well. (shame)
Thx btw.

I think I am just too nervous and often worrying about offending ppl. (shame)
Sorry for the fuss. :V

Edited by OpinionGuy, 17 January 2017 - 08:55 AM.


#28 GeloXD

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 10:06 PM

quit dn and just lurk forums

#29 Alaron

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 11:06 PM

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 03:05 PM

Don't mind me, I just came here to giggle. Good ol' memories.

#31 secoscream12

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 09:23 PM

Nah... Eles are obviously billion times more annoying then DA in PvP. DId SoulCrackD owned you?

#32 Soulcrack

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 01:15 AM

lol

What is the problem. (clap)

#33 OpinionGuy

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 10:48 AM

View PostSoulcrack, on 23 January 2017 - 01:15 AM, said:

lol

What is the problem. (clap)
No problem. Just an EL complained being beaten by a DA.

So you are the one who owned that EL? (lol)

Edited by OpinionGuy, 24 January 2017 - 11:51 AM.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 10:56 AM

View PostOpinionGuy, on 24 January 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

No problem. Just an EL complained being beaten by a DA.

So you are the one who owned that EL? (lol)
He is the top DA is SwHW colo, and that EL is a nobody

#35 OpinionGuy

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 11:07 AM

View Postsecoscream12, on 24 January 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

He is the top DA is SwHW colo, and that EL is a nobody
I see, I am from WW/GW plus I am still in hiatus state so I don't know. (tense)
Would love to see him fight.

Edited by OpinionGuy, 24 January 2017 - 09:26 PM.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 11:41 AM

View PostHotaruhine, on 15 January 2017 - 06:07 AM, said:

How come they can easily dodge elestras ice phere and not be frozen at most times.
The essence of the thread

#37 Soulcrack

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 08:56 PM

Hm, i do know that she/he had been pming me that she would make a thread in order to get people against me on forums and create more hate onto me as i've realised. To that extend i am not lowering myself towards this kind of behaviour especially to her. I have alot of haters lately. and i can't bear to have more *Wink*. Not that i mind all the hate it's just funny to look at this thread as it has become viral and hot. Of course i'd like to swing around with this person.

DA has alot of dysfunctions. DA dies way too quick if not played correctly and it will cost my life if i go all the way in without thinking about the situation. But i guess tactical gameplay is not allowed and you MUST rush in always. Well not for me, i'd rather play smart and succeed than having my ass kicked around

#38 JeeHan

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 02:56 PM

^ very well said mister (^.^)v

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Posted 25 January 2017 - 04:24 PM

View PostJeeHan, on 25 January 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

^ very well said mister (^.^)v
Thank you. =)

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 12:53 AM

Well I play DA... but only PvE , still this thread is meh. I tried playing DA in ladder with the best of my skills and yea, its not that OP at all. Too slow without the DA form compared to other classes.

Edited by secoscream12, 26 January 2017 - 12:54 AM.