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#81 Kyoukasama

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 12:08 AM

View PostChellyChi, on 22 February 2017 - 06:21 PM, said:

Having the same problem too, and besides that, i noticed i have not been casting acanthus for the past few weeks because i immediately cast hammer crusher instantly without waiting.
Hammer crusher sometimes misses because boss moves forward,

Moreover hammer crusher is camera-locked afaik, it's very uncomfortable. But I'm not sure abt this, only try SD for 1 day lol

And I have a question. My dps meter shows that Awakened Graze Dance is on number one when I do BTG. Is that ok? D:
I'm using +1 skill acc and dmg plate only. No +1 on costume weapon yet because i was SD before...

Edited by Kyoukasama, 23 February 2017 - 12:14 AM.


#82 ChellyChi

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 12:28 AM

View PostKyoukasama, on 23 February 2017 - 12:08 AM, said:

Moreover hammer crusher is camera-locked afaik, it's very uncomfortable. But I'm not sure abt this, only try SD for 1 day lol

And I have a question. My dps meter shows that Awakened Graze Dance is on number one when I do BTG. Is that ok? D:
I'm using +1 skill acc and dmg plate only. No +1 on costume weapon yet because i was SD before...

should be fine, but usually it should be elegant storm, considering if your GD is no.1 i can roughly tell your gears aint that good, therefore u use GD more often than Ele storm.
however in actual raid/nest it should always be Elegant storm no.1 > followed by blade step and then GD.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 12:59 AM

View PostChellyChi, on 23 February 2017 - 12:28 AM, said:

should be fine, but usually it should be elegant storm, considering if your GD is no.1 i can roughly tell your gears aint that good, therefore u use GD more often than Ele storm.
however in actual raid/nest it should always be Elegant storm no.1 > followed by blade step and then GD.

Actually GD always appears at num 2 for me. Blade Step's CD is relatively long, so it does not usually cool down in time whenever ES is ready. Therefore, it is more likely to fit in more GD inside. However, it is not that far apart. (Edit: Forgot to mention this is from IDN HC)

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Edited by Xenocho, 23 February 2017 - 01:00 AM.


#84 Kyoukasama

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 01:27 AM

View PostChellyChi, on 23 February 2017 - 12:28 AM, said:

should be fine, but usually it should be elegant storm, considering if your GD is no.1 i can roughly tell your gears aint that good, therefore u use GD more often than Ele storm.
however in actual raid/nest it should always be Elegant storm no.1 > followed by blade step and then GD.
hahaha u're right, mind to explain how do u know that with ES isn't number one then my gear isn't good? :/

View PostXenocho, on 23 February 2017 - 12:59 AM, said:

Actually GD always appears at num 2 for me. Blade Step's CD is relatively long, so it does not usually cool down in time whenever ES is ready. Therefore, it is more likely to fit in more GD inside. However, it is not that far apart. (Edit: Forgot to mention this is from IDN HC)

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yes xeno, my blade step always on 3rd place. But if squall flaker bug occured then RIP

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 01:44 AM

View PostKyoukasama, on 23 February 2017 - 01:27 AM, said:

hahaha u're right, mind to explain how do u know that with ES isn't number one then my gear isn't good? :/


yes xeno, my blade step always on 3rd place. But if squall flaker bug occured then RIP

I suspect you are not using ES off CD all the time, or that it gets cancelled/does not hit boss. If not for these reasons, ES should always be number 1. But even so, not by a huge margin as you can see above (or maybe I'm not playing BD right, I'll never know).

Yes, I too dislike that bug a lot since I rely on CD reset (and often put my life in risk not being able to cancel Blade Step/Ulti) =.=

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 03:29 AM

If anyone still has an SE, can I request them to test total number of hits of Soul Liberation in:
  • Normal speed state.
  • Using Phantom's Avenger
  • Using only Willpower Fragment
  • Using Willpower Fragment + Phantom's Avenger
  • Using Willpower Fragment + Phantom's Avenger + Harmonize
I've read that increase in Action Speed increases the total number of hits for SL instead of reducing cast time. If it is true, I'd like to know the total hits for all cases so I can update the SL co-efficient and total damage for each case. Sadly I can't test it myself since I don't have an SE. If anyone from HW/SW wants to test, I can help as Harmo slave though. (shame)

#87 Kyoukasama

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 03:31 AM

View PostXenocho, on 23 February 2017 - 01:44 AM, said:

I suspect you are not using ES off CD all the time, or that it gets cancelled/does not hit boss. If not for these reasons, ES should always be number 1. But even so, not by a huge margin as you can see above (or maybe I'm not playing BD right, I'll never know).

Yes, I too dislike that bug a lot since I rely on CD reset (and often put my life in risk not being able to cancel Blade Step/Ulti) =.=

This is my dps meter on BTG, my gear is not too good so yea...
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Basically my combo is divided to base combo and dps combo
1. Base combo consist of : GD -> SF (reset) -> GD -> SC -> rightclick
This base combo maximizes the use of GD (Graze Dance) and can be used to reach 10 bubbles easily for action speed buff and CD-reduction
2. Dps combo, actually is not a combo, but it's the moment to use dps skill. Divided to
    a. ES -> Blade Step
    b.  Hurricane Gust
So what I do is
Genie + Dance mino / elf (depends on enemy's HP) -> Mist step -> Breeze call dance -> (1) -> (2a) -> (1) -> (2b) -> (1) -> (2a) -> (1) -> (2b) -> rinse and repeat, but always casting Breeze call dance whenever CD, mist step if solo, (because in pt usually have another debuff for dmg)
Inner Fire and Deadly Drill is for utility and situational only

Edited by Kyoukasama, 23 February 2017 - 03:32 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:11 AM

View PostKyoukasama, on 23 February 2017 - 01:27 AM, said:


hahaha u're right, mind to explain how do u know that with ES isn't number one then my gear isn't good? :/


yes xeno, my blade step always on 3rd place. But if squall flaker bug occured then RIP
Basically usually when i cast es in btg, it takes 50% of the bar for golem, which leads to the highest dealing skill, however no offense, if you have inferior gears, es doesnt deal as much, and you will require maybe 3 rotations to kill golem? So in the long run, since gd has a lower cd as well as able to reset, gd will appear as no.1 instead of es, while for my case im able to kill it with one rotation, so es appears first.
But however i could be wrong, do you mind posting your dps for btg to confirm my thoughts?

Edited by ChellyChi, 23 February 2017 - 09:12 AM.


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:56 AM

View Postzuyi, on 23 February 2017 - 03:29 AM, said:

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Normal speed
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with PA
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with Willpower only
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with Willpower + PA
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With WP + PA + Harmo
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EDIT: brought my Flurry-lover friend in hue

PS: Pardon my poor screen shots class=

Edited by AmiDaMaRu, 23 February 2017 - 12:13 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:06 AM

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:42 AM

View PostKyoukasama, on 23 February 2017 - 03:31 AM, said:



This is my dps meter on BTG, my gear is not too good so yea...
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Basically my combo is divided to base combo and dps combo
1. Base combo consist of : GD -> SF (reset) -> GD -> SC -> rightclick
    This base combo maximizes the use of GD (Graze Dance) and can be used to reach 10 bubbles easily for action speed buff and CD-reduction
2. Dps combo, actually is not a combo, but it's the moment to use dps skill. Divided to
    a. ES -> Blade Step
    b.  Hurricane Gust
So what I do is
Genie + Dance mino / elf (depends on enemy's HP) -> Mist step -> Breeze call dance -> (1) -> (2a) -> (1) -> (2b) -> (1) -> (2a) -> (1) -> (2b) -> rinse and repeat, but always casting Breeze call dance whenever CD, mist step if solo, (because in pt usually have another debuff for dmg)
Inner Fire and Deadly Drill is for utility and situational only
Does this mean you cast  ES only together with BS? My GD combo is this: GD, SC, cancel immediately with SF, GD and immediately ES and BS. After that I would repeat the GD rotation and usually ES would be ready after that or after I cast Hurricanw Gust. This means that ES is cast per GD combo.

Chelly if one ES does half the golem HP, it won't be very accurate to use BTG as data :/

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 10:49 AM

View PostXenocho, on 23 February 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:


Does this mean you cast  ES only together with BS? My GD combo is this: GD, SC, cancel immediately with SF, GD and immediately ES and BS. After that I would repeat the GD rotation and usually ES would be ready after that or after I cast Hurricanw Gust. This means that ES is cast per GD combo.

Chelly if one ES does half the golem HP, it won't be very accurate to use BTG as data :/
Ya my rotation is exact the same, gd, sc, sq, gd, sc, es, bs, hg, gd, sc, sq, gd,sq, es,bs,hg repeat.
Oh and in the mist of all the rotations i fit the buff as well as mist step (for solo) somewhere inside.
And regarding the skill details what i mean is from idn/idn hc, not from golem.
But if you kill golem long enough, it would display the actual dps chart.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 12:17 PM

View PostChellyChi, on 23 February 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:


Basically usually when i cast es in btg, it takes 50% of the bar for golem, which leads to the highest dealing skill, however no offense, if you have inferior gears, es doesnt deal as much, and you will require maybe 3 rotations to kill golem? So in the long run, since gd has a lower cd as well as able to reset, gd will appear as no.1 instead of es, while for my case im able to kill it with one rotation, so es appears first.
But however i could be wrong, do you mind posting your dps for btg to confirm my thoughts?
With my rotation it can reach 40m dps, sorry i'm in progress farming IDNL now... anw i need 4-5 rotations to kill orz

View PostXenocho, on 23 February 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:


Does this mean you cast  ES only together with BS? My GD combo is this: GD, SC, cancel immediately with SF, GD and immediately ES and BS. After that I would repeat the GD rotation and usually ES would be ready after that or after I cast Hurricanw Gust. This means that ES is cast per GD combo.

Yes, only ES then BS together.That way I can attack continuously. When I tried to slip ES on every base combo, my flow seems weird and will have a moment that my skills all CD. But this I'm not too sure, I will try again prioritizing ES and see the result.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 12:18 PM

View PostKyoukasama, on 23 February 2017 - 12:17 PM, said:

With my rotation it can reach 40m dps, sorry i'm in progress farming IDNL now... anw i need 4-5 rotations to kill orz


Yes, only ES then BS together.That way I can attack continuously. When I tried to slip ES on every base combo, my flow seems weird and will have a moment that my skills all CD. But this I'm not too sure, I will try again prioritizing ES and see the result.

ES must be prioritized, the CD is much shorter than the other two, more so with CD reduction mechanism.

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 01:33 PM

View PostKyoukasama, on 23 February 2017 - 12:17 PM, said:


With my rotation it can reach 40m dps, sorry i'm in progress farming IDNL now... anw i need 4-5 rotations to kill orz


Yes, only ES then BS together.That way I can attack continuously. When I tried to slip ES on every base combo, my flow seems weird and will have a moment that my skills all CD. But this I'm not too sure, I will try again prioritizing ES and see the result.

This is my own bd quite some time ago, which i can do better now with my newer and updated gears.

Edited by ChellyChi, 23 February 2017 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 01:54 PM

View PostAmiDaMaRu, on 23 February 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

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Posted 25 February 2017 - 01:21 AM

Can I ask how can you cancel rage mode in stage 2 IDN boss using
soul scream (SE skill)? Can you post some videos. Thanks :)

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Posted 25 February 2017 - 01:24 AM

View Postrave023, on 25 February 2017 - 01:21 AM, said:

Can I ask how can you cancel rage mode in stage 2 IDN boss using
soul scream (SE skill)? Can you post some videos. Thanks :)

Use Soul Scream, when it hit the boss, it should remove Berserk status (the evil yellow looking thing on his head)

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 02:37 AM

My Blade dancer's rotation is based on the fact that Graze dance keeps hitting after you finish its animation. So my "theory" is that we can probably increase DPS by casting it before a DPS skill whenever possible, since two skills will be hitting at the same time.

It's something like that:

Mino > breeze call dance > mist step > Graze dance > Elegant Storm > Blade Step > sweet circle > squall flaker > breeze call dance > mist step > Graze dance > Hurricane gust > sweet circle > Graze Dance > Elegant Storm > squall Flaker > Breeze call Dance > Mist Step > Graze Dance > Mist Step (Golem dead with my current gear)


Blue: Preparations (Buffing, debuffing)

Red: DPS combo

Green: Transition combo (Gathering bubbles, buffing, debuffing)


Here is my DPS test:

https://youtu.be/0y4dWeihRdM

Sorry for the lag, i have to upgrade my pc (shame)

Well, as you can see, I don't use Hurricane Gust during the first DPS combo because the 3 DPS skills have long animation, leading to the loss of mist step's debuff and/or breeze call dance's buff in the middle of hurricane gust's animation. Instead I prefer to add a transition combo in the middle to rebuff and debuff.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 09:35 AM

Actually I've mentioned before that graze dance is a very strong skill in terms of damage/cast given that you can cancel some animation once the ball is formed, which is around 1s cast time. This is further boosted by the fact that it has low cd, so actually it will rise up high in the Dps chart (at least for me). Your rotation looks a bit erratic - can you repeat the exact same for nests and dungeons and idn?

My rotation usually involves graze, sweet, canceling with squall and graze again, followed by elegant and blade step. Then repeat and hurricane gust and elegant and cycle between these two. However, boss moving and dodging and mech usually make it less necessary to cast hurricane gust so I usually get it quite low in %