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#1 UltraMega

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 04:16 PM

As a tempest i only have 231% crit damage with 89% crit rate. Is there anyway we can boost this crit damage?

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Sorry edited: planning to change some wind jades to bear jades. Wud this be viable.

Edited by UltraMega, 28 April 2017 - 04:35 PM.


#2 Jakielyn

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 04:26 PM

Would that just make you lost some raw power in exchange of Crit.Damage?

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 04:36 PM

View PostJakielyn, on 28 April 2017 - 04:26 PM, said:

Would that just make you lost some raw power in exchange of Crit.Damage?

Dat il have to see later whether my plan will go just fine. Il have to OL later agen and see what will hapen with my stats.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 05:04 PM

Never ever change wind jade for bear jade ... You lose too much raw patk for almost non-existence crit dmg. Just forger about Crti dmg when you play agi class.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 05:14 PM

What are the current enhancement of your IDNL? in case they are not yet +12 or +13 your critical damage will still increase by a few % because of STR and INT stat.

However, as far as I read about multipliers, Critical Damage suffers diminishing returns.
For example, your current stat.
231 / 200 = 1.15. This means that, the actual damage increase you experience is not 31% but only 15%.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 05:25 PM

Is the problem for agi class is that you gain too much Crit when fully equip + costume.
While I think STR/INT class can cap Crit on top having a lot of Crit.Damage when fully equip + costume.
???

#7 UltraMega

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:00 PM

@firephoenix sensei
Thanks for your inputs, will be able to be in the pc to check stats for comparison maybe in 3-4hrs time before i can post it here.

@Nvin My IDNl gears are just +10 except for my leica weapon. No gold yet for enhancement since im currently semi playing DN so right now trying to find out different ways to make her stronger.

@jakielyn so does dat mean agi class are left behind DN now? :(

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:04 PM

View PostJakielyn, on 28 April 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Is the problem for agi class is that you gain too much Crit when fully equip + costume.
While I think STR/INT class can cap Crit on top having a lot of Crit.Damage when fully equip + costume.
???

STR and INT classes can consider 3rd Stat Critical Chance or use a Critical Jade (STR/Crit or INT/Crit) to increase and reach that critical chance cap of 89%. They need to maximize their Critical Chance in order to fully utilize the Critical Damage they gain from stacking STR and INT.

For AGI classes, it would not be advisable to use Critical Jades or 3rd Stat Critical Chance as AGI itself increases Critical Chance. AGI classes can constantly trigger Critical making twice damage. Hence it is much better to increase Physical Attack than investing with Critical Damage that is already 200% by default and as I mentioned above, it suffers Diminishing returns. By having more, you only get less.

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 06:15 PM

View PostUltraMega, on 28 April 2017 - 06:00 PM, said:


@Nvin My IDNl gears are just +10 except for my leica weapon. No gold yet for enhancement since im currently semi playing DN so right now trying to find out different ways to make her stronger.

Perhaps you can consider the following:
  • Elemental Attack
  • 3rd stat AGI talismans and Plates
  • Epic Costumes (In case you don't have them ady)


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 02:30 PM

Sorry was able to open DN again just today. Anyway here is my stat. First pic with Bear jade and second is with Wind jade on my 2 accessories.

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So yeah i lost a lot of agi more or less 10k from changing jades and pattk ofcourse but my critical damage went from 231% to 235% (such small percentage;Wrong move RIP mats) Anyway just tested it out tho.

My real issue here is this, while INT and STR classes are enjoying 89% crit rate with same equips as mine, they also enjoy higher critical damage. I hope devs do something about this. For me WOTO increase of 20% critical damage for 10sec doesnt remedy this..:( so are we agi type classes left behind STR and INT type classes? :(

Edited by UltraMega, 29 April 2017 - 02:31 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 03:09 PM

View PostUltraMega, on 29 April 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

Sorry was able to open DN again just today. Anyway here is my stat. First pic with Bear jade and second is with Wind jade on my 2 accessories.

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So yeah i lost a lot of agi more or less 10k from changing jades and pattk ofcourse but my critical damage went from 231% to 235% (such small percentage;Wrong move RIP mats) Anyway just tested it out tho.

My real issue here is this, while INT and STR classes are enjoying 89% crit rate with same equips as mine, they also enjoy higher critical damage. I hope devs do something about this. For me WOTO increase of 20% critical damage for 10sec doesnt remedy this.. :( so are we agi type classes left behind STR and INT type classes? :(

You lost so much with such minimal gain, it is not worth it.

With the owl buffs, you will get 30% increase on your critical damage and that would yield to 260% Critical damage.
Considering diminishing returns, the impact would be around 30% additional damage. It is a good increase my opinion. (Though I still won't have Wise of Own in my Skill Build)

Maybe work on utilizing debuffs than pursuing Critical damage. Unlike most, if not all, STR/INT classes, Archers have -20% Critical Resist debuff. (Sniper: Aerial Chain Shot EX, Arti: Rapid Shot EX, Acro: Cirle shot) which would be helpful on nest since they have, CMIIW, 40% Critical Resist.

As for your question, I do not see it as being left behind, as we have unique capabilities from those classes. Think of it as a limitation.

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 04:16 PM

View PostNvin, on 29 April 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:



You lost so much with such minimal gain, it is not worth it.

With the owl buffs, you will get 30% increase on your critical damage and that would yield to 260% Critical damage.
Considering diminishing returns, the impact would be around 30% additional damage. It is a good increase my opinion. (Though I still won't have Wise of Own in my Skill Build)

Maybe work on utilizing debuffs than pursuing Critical damage. Unlike most, if not all, STR/INT classes, Archers have -20% Critical Resist debuff. (Sniper: Aerial Chain Shot EX, Arti: Rapid Shot EX, Acro: Cirle shot) which would be helpful on nest since they have, CMIIW, 40% Critical Resist.

As for your question, I do not see it as being left behind, as we have unique capabilities from those classes. Think of it as a limitation.

Got it still love em temp anyway, still can dish out pretty good damage coz of low cd skills :) thanks for your input Nvin!